I put a plow on it so my wife could push some snow. Never been more satisfied with a purchase. Less than 300 hours on it, and always looked after really well….how do I know? PROTEST BY BUYING A DIFFERENT MACHINE. It had a manual transmission that was a pain to shift but that tractor kept mowing year after year after year. It has been this way after about 60hrs . I’ll let you know how I made out after I put everything together again. Once I moved and started mowing the hills, it became progressively worse. If I had an address I could mail you this. I could either buy another John Deere that would last 2 years, or get a mower that has the right transmission (like a k66 transaxle); such a mower would run a few thousand at least, so, the best option for someone that owns a John Deere L120 or similar (l120, l130, la100, la110, la120,la130…) with a transmission that can’t be changed and losing power, is to buy an upgrade kit. The transaxle has worked perfectly, with plenty of torque and power. So I don’t know where my upgrade stands at this point. It’s only now reading this site that I see that in May you advised that this kit is not a good fit for the LTxxx series. you did not buy a johndeere you baught a green mtd. On the link I have provided, below, you will find those tires, along with many others of this size. I was very fortunate to buy the kit shy under $900.- after my K46 died! In the mean time, I wish more good folks like James can chime in and give us more experiences on how best to salvage our k46’s in case it begins to give out. “Super 500” Upgrade: Tuff Torq K72B with Differential Lock, (Same as X500!) What’s disappointing is a company like John Deere won’t address a design problem with their L120 and L130 lawn mower transmissions. From your description, can I assume that your LA120 was running OK prior to changing the mower belt? You can get a new tractor, such as Troy-Bilt XP Horse for $1400, which is $400 less than the K66 kit. I had it welded and did it myself, 25 minutes TOTAL. So guess what I’m going to replace that P.O.S. There is no quick fix that I’m aware of with the l130, but Roger is the expert and if one is out there, he’ll know. Thanks. 1) Why did this happen? I’ve reading a lot about this upgrade you mentioned, and considering it myself. You get what you pay for, buy a real commercial duty machine from a dealer and actually know how to run/maintain the equipment. Let us know how the upgrade went! I’m sending you his email address. I don’t see anything changing. I now have a $2000 lawn ornament. Doe’s anyone know, what is the proper AMOUNT of fluid is ? All I can say is WOW!! Last year the little metal arm that holds the PTO clutch failed (click the image to the left and you’ll see the full image). I started reading the John Deere tractor forum and found a few suggestions on how to fix the problem. Sign, submit……etc. I hope you guys can make something happen with this mess, JD should own up to their name fix this junk. Next, they find the parts that will meet that price. By the time the 90 weight got week the rest of the little JD was pretty well worn. As you can understand, the price we have to ask for the kits keep going up. The install of the K-66 Kit into my S2548 was great. Re-install trans. Forward works fine. Sorry, I’m only responding now to your March 4th message. Now I sleep better at night knowing I have two John Deere products over 30+ years that will get the lawn mowed and the snow plowed when I need it. Adding to the problem was the new owner never realized the Lxxx was not approroprite to mow 2-3 acres of hilly lawns. Just because now I’m interested, this winter I’l at least remove the trashed transmission to investigate. If any intrest on buying the motor let me know. After about a year, I started to notice a loss in power; not enough to prevent mowing but enough that it was noticeable. I need to point out one last thing! That alone will probably test my mechanical abilities, but I have friends with more know-how who can help. But if you really, really need a strong tractor and have been considering junking your L1xx and writing a check for $6000+ … Don’t! Started her up and proceeded to test everything. Pump drive belts that have slipped or are damaged may result in the machine not moving when the engine is running. I paid $2.200 for the entire machine?? Same old crap. However, I got lucky and found an old style push-down door lock… happened to be 3/8 in dia. This does not appear to be the case. The Coca Cola Company Official Prize Notification, 2010 World cup in South Africa FIFA Promotion team. i have a jd l110 that i have pushed very hard for several years running it anywhere from 5 to 6 days a week mowing semi commercially with. I’m going to contact the consumer magazine and ask them to look into the problems everyone seems to be having with John Deere products. One thing I am sure of, going to have to quit mowing, my yard gets bigger each time :). The installation was a breeze. Just found this forum. A VERY SPECIAL THANKS to you, Jim. hello everyone ,this has been very helpfull to me to read your experiances,il have to call the jd in homerglenn ill circle ,i have a jd L118 and today sat Do not cut it off and connect the wires. If I could unload this puppy right now, I would. So long that 2 other employees noticed and asked if I was being helped. I have (2) “John Chicken” lawn tractors with the same worthless transmission problems as so many others have described. Minimal improvement. Let me guess .. that wont happen because it will effect your bonus and stock options for a year or two correct? From the time I dropped it off I never heard from them. JD will not get one more cent of my money. For me, spending $700 for a transmission that will break down again or $300 more ($1,000) for a transmission that will turn my L120 into a beast was a no-brainer. My L130 loses power and will not pull itself on small incline. Sign me up for the class action lawsuit. Now, I also have apparently the same problem with the L120 transmission, runs about 15 minutes fine and then will not pull up even slight hills. Changing the transmission fluid and installing new fluid may indeed fix your problem! Go with the manual and you won’t have these problems! Good luck everyone. My JD Dealer doesn’t have the right size weights. AND Thanks a lot for the quick responce. Wow I can’t believe this crap, everything you buy these days is junk. We hope to have our K66 Upgrade Kits ready for sale again by mid-July. The unit is known to show some slippage at full speed setting. It’s an amazing device that makes your tractor a tractor. A payback would be nice. I bought a John Deere because these tractors are supposed to be the very best, but have come to believe there is the ‘lawn tractor’ which is not build nearly as tough as the ‘Garden Tractors’. So I contacted the State of Michigan Attorney General’s office of Consumer Affairs. For long term, I’m considering one of Roger’s upgrades when he gets it developed for the LT’s. How about we get a class action lawsuit going to replace the transmissions on these JD Junkers? LOL. If I were you, I’d check out the product on eBay and ask Roger to explain why it has increased in value and what you could buy for that amount. ..$3000.00 total wasted with a bagger and plow attachment and the good 23hp Kohler V twin engine …. SNOW BLOWER: 44″ 2 STAGE S/N: M044SBH030499 M/N: MX37425, I too have been a “victim” of John Deere’s shenanigans. 4 good years and no problem, this year junk. oil of choice… I used 15w-50 Mobil 1. After pricing new transmissions I decided to try and repair this since I had little to lose other then some time. It slowss down going uphill. I was thinking “Give me another yard to mow!……Now! My friends Cub Cadet works just fine. The kits will be delivered in order of reservations made. Over $900 to fix. Thanks for everything! Joined: Jun 6, 2016 Messages: 1 Location: Nashville, Indiana. Just curious if anybody has done this, and if so what is the best place to drill the hole. When they say “Nothing runs like a Deere”, they’re not kidding! So to be told i need to replace a transmission on a used tractor i paid $1200 for doesn’t sit well. K66 replacement is now $1600.00. I end up pulling the harrow myself back top the shed, and the vehicle can barely get back to the garage with NO LOAD. I bought a John Deere cuz I thought the JD was the best,,,well,,,After this transmission problem and see this is normal after 300 Hrs. ————— I have a Scotts 2554 wich has been great until the transaxle failed. Maybe Brian lives in China :) where you possibly can buy a tractor for $1,300.- but a new equivalent JD matching an L120/130 with your K66 conversion kit would cost between $3,500-5,500.- My JD LA 130 will no longer climbs small hills after about 15-30 mins. He said that he can not install the transmission of another rider and that it has to be an exact replacement (original parts). In 2012 or 2013 rear wheel axle seal needed to be replaced, so they replaced it under the john Deere warranty. Upon going down a slight grade and turning to go back up it would make a grinding noise and slow down. I had been hoping that this tractor would last me another two years until the last kid was out of college but now I doubt it will. I have the same problem. Just this year I noticed the slow back up and now it wont go up the steeper slopes in my yard. They twisted my words, made me look like I was a fool and didn’t know where the dealer sticker was. Well, I got the upgrade kit from Roger and installed it over the weekend. Not all of us can afford the lawn services. Their executive Ellen gave our records that they received from the Michigan A.G. to their legal department to no avail. Told them about this sight and suggested they take a look. I have had to change my opinion about John Deere and now regard their product as poorly built and inferior quality compared to similar products. If you have a boat, use it as an anchor……it might catch on? thanks for any advice, Dennis. Backed my L110 out of the shed today as it was in the way. On a side note , Tuff Torq , who makes the axle, recommends changing the transaxle fluid at 50 hours! on it. I did a lot of research and there are manuals you can buy to do it yourself; you’ll save some money buying the transmission separately, but you have to run around and get all the parts. well Iv’e seen deer run better when they are shot, To bad. Roger, do you sell the mounting hardware for the hood? Mike: If you hurry, there is one K66 upgrade kit left. If it will not break traction then it is bad. I too will never buy another JD product and will paint it a different color if I keep it! The other thing that really surprised me was the amount of clearance (slop) in this gear set. Used, didn’t know that transmition was messed up, can’t return because it was used when I bought , motor still good , but no way I’m going to spend $600 or more on new transaxle , When I’ve already paid 550 for it. We have to allow it to rest before continuing again. I was very careful when topping it off to get all the bubbles out; gentling rotating and just patiently filling it to the brim. A new rear tranny now goes for the bargain price of $816. The upgrade was the least expensive option. Very disappointed to find out that so many others have had similar experiences with a company that built it’s reputation on its name and supposed quality. With help from others, I recently overhauled the Koler and everything is OK there. will not pull a 20 degree slope…JUNK sign me up too. I have about a 15 percent grade on the side of my home and it won’t go up it after about 30 minutes of mowing. Thought I was buying the best name brand. Long story short, the tractor is sitting in my back yard behind (not in) the shed. As you can tell from the reviews herein, JD is clearly putting out a defective piece of equipment. It was wedged in so tight we had to use a crow bar to remove it. (Pictured in listing). I don’t feel too bad though, I found this lawn mower at the Pawn Shop and didn’t feel like I got anything other than a pretty good deal. They had 14 on-hand with no plans to make any more. OOPS I FORGOT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE AS WELL!! Actually sounds pleasant now – nice whooshing noises now. I live in a sub that is flat on a 1/4 acre are you kidding me? I purchased an LA 120 in October 2007 from Home Depot and the warranty ran out in October 2009. It is my understanding that these are made from powdered metal rather than a good heat-treated material (John Deere is also cheap!) Can use it for a couple hours without issue but expect next week when I go to use it again will have same problem. As a followup to the Freewheeling Rod Installation and the Brakes not working (rolling stop), here are tips from Roger. I recently also read a blog concerning the overpowering of the Lawn Tractors with higher horse power motors to compensate for bigger decks and transmission issues. It started getting slower going up hill, moaning and requiring more pressure on the pedal. I also have the transmission problem. Now it works like new. Had to replace the transmission. I see a lot of people here blaming Tuff Torq, dont, this all falls on JD. He stated that my only option was to send it out for repair….which would take approximately two months. I hate when people start throwing around Class Action Lawsuit. That is like 3 weeks working a full time job!! MY SUGGESTION: SAVE YOUR BUCKS. Of course, it didn’t help at all. It barely moves when I back up especially going up a very small hill (not steep at all). I carefully scrapped off all the old gasket between the two halfs and thoroughly cleaned and polished both surfaces. Irrespective, our issue is not with the Forest Glen dealership as it is now but if that is the only offer John Deere is prepared to make then we will explore other avenues even if only to make others aware of the problems we have experienced. This is my first hydrostatic transmission tractor and unfortunatly my first JD, I’m bummin! After receiving the out come of the lawsuit I still had to fight the dealer on how they wanted to rebuild the engine using old parts after they told me they had excessive wear. Remember who makes the money in a class action suit …. I think by the end of next week we will be back to a normal shipping schedule. I too am very disappointed in my John Deere L120. I have poked around on the Internet and discovered that “Bizrate” might be the best place to start looking. i bought it new and always service it every year now the transaxle is making a snapping noise and jumping , any one else with this? I am truly disappointed in the JD line as many of the others have posted here. Then I bought a snow plow for my truck and didn’t use L130 for 2 years. I have a John Deere L120. I was just getting ready to go and buy a secound JD so son and I could mow at the same time. We followed the instruction exactly as they were. I’ll be looking for a Tractor that has a transaxle with a clutch that is stronger than that K46 POS ! I understand they are expensive to purchase so hope this works. This testing led to a complete yard mowing and it worked great. Does anyone know where I could purchase the wheel weights ? I changed the fluid as per the local JD service center, as they told me they would change the transmission as doing the rebuild kit isn’t much cheaper. I am frustrated having to replace parts DIY; rates here are $80/hr. Buy about 2-feet of small neoprene hose. Remove trans and vent plug… turn upside-down and drain oil for 5 hours. Ordered new K46BE trans from TuffTorq, $665 includes shipping. I can bore the non technical crowd with FMEA analysis, 5-Y’s and root cause analysis done on the front end of the product launch that exposed this issue. I always associated John Deere with quality and sturdiness and well engineered for it’s purpose. /roger. The new PTO clutch and wire harness cost almost $300. Why would John Deere make these models in the first place? Is this the same problem with the transmission. Will talk to as many people as i can about how bad John Deere has been for me and how they dont provide any accountability for their product. It’s so bad that I have to try to mow the hilly part first and then the level lawn. I finished up my conversion last night too and mowed my lawn and am also very happy. Shipped out eight kits today. What tranny should I get and how much are they? I am DISGUSTED with my expensive, AMERICAN made John Deere! I knew then the trans axle was gone. Is this the same issue as all these others above that I read about? Now a year later and it is dead again… I am retired military, and my whole career I was told by my solders, “John Deere was the best”. It still “groans” more than I believe it did when new. It would not work! In fact, I think that will be my project for the week :), As for the wife, just remember this: A happy wife is a happy life – has worked for me so far :). The last seven years I have used both tractors to mow my 2 plus acres, so in essence my JD has only mowed about one acre for the last seven years. I am buying a gravely zt hd 60 zero turn mower. I bought a new LT150 in ’03. I too have a L130 and just finished installing the K66 upgrade, and I am very happy I did! Or is this repairable? I did a lot of research and found a John Deere transmission upgrade kit. I was told that the new model would not do that. I also have a John Deere. …….FERRRRRRRGET about replacing the oil! They can build a good transaxle, but intentionally built this poor quality K46. I put a new hydrastatic filter on and added fluid but it had no effect. Made in China, I’m surprised – I thought John Deere was all American? and has gradually lost power each season since. My 110 & 112 from the 70’s still run great! I think everyone needs to start reporting this problem to the phone # above so they recognize it’s a problem or they won’t do anything about it. I have just located this blog. This kind of tractor is definitely highly recommended if it is put I have read every post (took a while) and of course I am wondering if my E170 is destined to suffer the same problems as everyone else here has experienced. I have about 1 and 1/3 acres about half of which is a very steep incline. by Roger Daisley. Transmission popped out. The mower has just over 200 hours is all. I said “How convienent”. My dad has owned JD tractors my whole life with way more hours then this one has and not had any issue on lawns with much more grade. I am totally against whatever john deere has out on the market.I bought this l130 thinking it would be the last time that i would have to buy a mower. I guess the “grime” I found in the old oil was the remains of the “clutch”. This thread has been incredibly informative. The next thing many people do is change the oil. After many conversations with a customer service rep, I was offered $200 toward the $700 tuff torq replacement job. Thanks to everyone for your business and wonderful feedback. I MIGHT keep the snow-blower/plow tools in case i can stitch the JD clip onto a NON HYDRO Murray/Husq/Other back end.. A neighbor had purchased it from Lowe’s and a couple weeks later he was notified his reserve unit was being deployed. I will post the results here. I’m not sure what they meant by the tranny was no good, but it sounds like Roger’s “upgrade” will take care of the problem. Are there any updates ? They “claimed” it just needed stronger spring which I knew it wasn’t.. I would think the loose belt might be a problem but am not sure how this transmission work with the motor. TT also recommends changing the Trans fluid after first 50 hrs and thereafter every 200 hrs of use. Prices go up, quality goes down, quality is none existent, and accountability is not in the manufacturing industry. With the new synthetic oils, it will probably withstand the heat a LOT longer – heat is the problem I guess. Please add me to the class action suit!!! When I received the transaxle, I noticed there was oil in it. In my Installation Manual, I detail how to do it. 2 mows later and it died. Would consider suite against jd cant afford to fix my self. would love to sell OEMs higher spec. Roger. I thought it was the traction belt slipping on my JD LA110. I’ve read several forums concerning the disappointing K46 transaxle on the web. Tractor well maintained and cleaned after 2 hours of cutting every weekend in the summer. I’ve always operated mine as the operators manual says; always with the throttle full open. As it accrued a couple of hundred hours, it did exactly ……42″ lightning sno-blower, in the winter. If I hadn’t spent so time and money on the engine I would be tempted to junk the whole thing. 6 years ago. I have a 190C and for the most part it has been a good machine. Interesting– my local mower/tractor store was recently dropped as a JD dealer. I noticed a humming noise as I was mowing, and the mower just kept getting slower. However that is still good service I think. This K66 Upgrade Kit is a complete replacement for broken/failed transaxles, it will also bring your tractor up to a level of performance greater than it ever was. Deer trans. LA 145 with little to no transmission power going uphills. I mow for about 10 minutes and it stops pulling completely. Thanks. …and is it any better? The next day i tried it again it went forward a little but same thing it STOPPED. Your all really cheap or you didn’t do your homework before you bought or both. this is the first site I found, and it seems, by the above comments and experiences that it will be a total waste of time. 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